up plan on obama care. let's show that club. >> you said that he's going to lose deductions and loopholes. for his tax plan. but we don't know the details. he says that he's going to replace dodd-frank, wall street reform but we don't know exactly which ones. he won't tell us. he now says he'll replace obama care and assure all the good things in it will be in there, and you don't have to worry. >> frank this seems to be getting at the point that david axelrod and david plouffe were making after the debate in trying to spin this is that romney is a secret guy, he won't tell you what he's going to do when he gets rid of obama care or what he's going to do on taxes but did obama effectively make that case? >> he made the case. and that was one of the rare case where the republicans were dialing him at a 60 which is a relatively positive. the difference here is when mitt romney talked and almost all the dials these weak republicans or weak democrats moved together. when barack obama talked and they are all und